[Alpine-info] whitelisting addresses?

[Damion Yates via Alpine-info]

I understood that gmail's new UI should be great for accessibility and most
good screenreaders should work with its html div layouts and specific
accessibility hooks.
The settings in gmail like adding filters and people to contacts to
decrease incorrect spam, if you can't abide by the new UI could be done
with somebody's help, but ultimately the sender's ability to send with low
risk domain (SPF etc) is really the fix.

Annoyingly my conveyancing solicitor has 100% of their emails classified as
spam and I continually mark these as "not spam", but the learning algorithm
is taking its sweet time or too many other people have decided they
are spam or other signals in the email, so this isn't a quick fix and
checking spam regularly is needed.

I'm about 95% sure that under IMAP the action of moving out of spam into
another folder (labels in gmail), DOES attempt to flag to gmail just like
the "not spam" button in the UI.

You may need the UI to enable visibility of the spam label (as a folder) to
be seen by IMAP.  As these are configured on a label by label basis.  You
can also configure only the last 1000 messages to show which will speed
IMAP access up.
There are loads of useful features in the UI which sadly will be needed for
a bit even if you mostly use IMAP (like me).

I tend to use offlineimap so sync as local NVMe is faster than a network
connection over to europe/usa from the UK, but I occasionally directly
connect to IMAP and this is a pain because you need to get the xoauth2
stuff working which I always worry about.  offlineimap seems to be easier
in this regard, but sending will also need xoauth2 anyway unless you want
to risk sendmail which is likely going to lead to your own emails to be
classified as spam.


 - Damion

On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 1:43 AM Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info <
alpine-info at u.washington.edu> wrote:


> Hi Andrew,

> as shared I no longer have any direct access to gmail. Nor do I know who

> *someone* is.

> These days, speaking personally, I resonate with your gmail not working in

> absolutes stance.

> Would not risk tampering with my setup for sure.

> Kare

>

>

>

> On Wed, 3 Sep 2025, Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info wrote:

>

> > On Tue, 2 Sep 2025, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info wrote:

> >

> >>  Let me be more specific to avoid confusion.

> >>  When google removed the inclusive access to gmail via basic HTML, I

> >>  secured a service that gives me access to it, using alpine, via imap.

> >>  That service does not really know much about how alpine works.

> >>  There are times when gmail places items into its spam folder that

> should

> >>  not be placed there.

> >>  In basic html I could say add that address to contacts avoiding the

> issue.

> >>  Now though this door is closed.

> >>  I seek a method within alpine itself, as the email client, that

> manages

> >>  this process.

> >>  Does one exist?

> >

> > If I understand correctly, GMail puts messages in the spam folder before

> > imap sees them, so there is no way that Alpine can stop them from going

> in.

> >

> > There may (or may not) be a hook in Alpine where you could add

> > something which reads the spam folder by imap and moves selected

> > messages out to some other folder.

> > Can anyone say whether there is such a hook - Eduardo ?

> >

> > There is probably a way within GMail that you (or someone sitting beside

> > you at the screen) can whitelist certain addresses. You would have to do

> this

> > each time you wanted to whitelist a new sender, but from then on

> > messages from that person are likely to stay in your inbox rather than

> > the spam folder. I say "likely to" because my undertanding is that

> > GMail does not work in absolutes.

> >

> > --

> > Andrew C. Aitchison                      Kendal, UK

> >                   andrew at aitchison.me.uk

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Damion Yates - damion.yates at gmail.com
London, England
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