From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Oct 5 08:58:02 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chime Hart via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Oct 5 08:58:07 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] A Solution for NULL ice in paint_index_line: reg index, msgno=1 line=0 Message-ID: <34d27b85-52b2-e6a2-98b7-74daf5c80b36@hubert-humphrey.com> Hi All: Yesterday we disabled fetchmail along with a chron-job. Now I can keep my inbox opened with those anoying errors-and-duplicate messages. I am it looks like reading mail live from fastmail, but for some reason it is not moving to "incoming folders" located at /var/mail/chime. Thanks in advance for any guidance Chime From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Oct 8 02:08:52 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Oct 8 02:08:57 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Reading Teams messages in Alpine? (NN mentioned UB-felles (fwd) Message-ID: <7e3c93bc-b634-6b88-ee37-eb7b6261c2db@ifi.uio.no> At work a lot of people seem to be moving away from E-mail to sending messages in Teams. I receive notes by e-mail that a new Teams message has been sent to me, but it seems that I must login into Teams in order to actually read the message. But still the Teams message seems to be some kind of Microsoft 365 mail message. So I'm wondering if there is a way to change my setup so that I can read the actual message from Teams in Alpine -- either change something in Alpine or in Teams/365 or both? If this is not possible today, is it something that could be added to Alpine? Example message below, with sender name anonymized by me. Thomas Gramstad ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 08:45:26 +0000 From: NN in Teams To: thomas.gramstad@ub.uio.no Subject: NN mentioned UB-felles Hei UB-felles ?Det har ?pnet seg opp noen plasser til filmvisingen p? Cinemateket i dag, som egentlig erfullbooket...?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????? Hi, [IMAGE] NN mentioned UB-felles in UB-felles > General Hei UB-felles ?Det har ?pnet seg opp noen plasser til filmvisingen p? Cinemateket i dag, som egentlig er fullbooket... ??Reply in Teams? Install Microsoft Teams now ??? [IMAGE] ??? ??iOS ??? ?? [IMAGE] ??? Android ?? This email was sent from an unmonitored mailbox. Update your email preferences in Teams. Activity > Settings (Gear Icon) > Notifications. ____________________________________________________________________________________________ [IMAGE] From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Oct 8 03:44:53 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Oct 8 03:45:10 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Reading Teams messages in Alpine? (NN mentioned UB-felles (fwd) In-Reply-To: <7e3c93bc-b634-6b88-ee37-eb7b6261c2db@ifi.uio.no> References: <7e3c93bc-b634-6b88-ee37-eb7b6261c2db@ifi.uio.no> Message-ID: <9b8301de-33cb-43f4-0c79-b966e67db92f@aitchison.me.uk> On Wed, 8 Oct 2025, Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info wrote: > At work a lot of people seem to be moving away from E-mail to > sending messages in Teams. I receive notes by e-mail that a new > Teams message has been sent to me, but it seems that I must login > into Teams in order to actually read the message. But still the > Teams message seems to be some kind of Microsoft 365 mail > message. > > So I'm wondering if there is a way to change my setup so that I > can read the actual message from Teams in Alpine -- either > change something in Alpine or in Teams/365 or both? > > If this is not possible today, is it something that could be > added to Alpine? When I had a teams account it was part of a Microsoft account that also included enterprise email (I don't remember the exact combination of words which may have included 365 and or Outlook). I believe I could just forward that email account to my preferred address. Alpine does support Microsoft email boxes if you use OAUTH2 aka OAUTHBEARER. I found Teams on Linux was useable, you are not being tied to Windows. > Example message below, with sender name anonymized by me. > > Thomas Gramstad > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 08:45:26 +0000 > From: NN in Teams > To: thomas.gramstad@ub.uio.no > Subject: NN mentioned UB-felles > > Hei UB-felles ?Det har ?pnet seg opp noen plasser til filmvisingen p? Cinemateket i dag, som > egentlig erfullbooket...?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > ???????????????????????????????????????? > Hi, > [IMAGE] > NN mentioned UB-felles in UB-felles > General > Hei UB-felles ?Det har ?pnet seg opp noen plasser til filmvisingen p? Cinemateket i dag, som > egentlig er fullbooket... > ??Reply in Teams? > Install Microsoft Teams now > ??? > [IMAGE] > ??? > ??iOS > ??? > ?? > [IMAGE] > ??? > Android > ?? > This email was sent from an unmonitored mailbox. Update your email preferences in Teams. > Activity > Settings (Gear Icon) > Notifications. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________________ > [IMAGE] > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman23.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > -- Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK andrew@aitchison.me.uk From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Oct 8 04:00:03 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Oct 8 04:00:10 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Reading Teams messages in Alpine? (NN mentioned UB-felles (fwd) In-Reply-To: <9b8301de-33cb-43f4-0c79-b966e67db92f@aitchison.me.uk> References: <7e3c93bc-b634-6b88-ee37-eb7b6261c2db@ifi.uio.no> <9b8301de-33cb-43f4-0c79-b966e67db92f@aitchison.me.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2025, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: > On Wed, 8 Oct 2025, Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info wrote: > > > At work a lot of people seem to be moving away from E-mail to > > sending messages in Teams. I receive notes by e-mail that a new > > Teams message has been sent to me, but it seems that I must login > > into Teams in order to actually read the message. But still the > > Teams message seems to be some kind of Microsoft 365 mail > > message. > > > > So I'm wondering if there is a way to change my setup so that I > > can read the actual message from Teams in Alpine -- either > > change something in Alpine or in Teams/365 or both? > > > > If this is not possible today, is it something that could be > > added to Alpine? > > When I had a teams account it was part of a Microsoft > account that also included enterprise email (I don't remember > the exact combination of words which may have included 365 and > or Outlook). I believe I could just forward that email account > to my preferred address. I already have that, and use Alpine against it. > Alpine does support Microsoft email boxes if you use OAUTH2 > aka OAUTHBEARER. I have that too. The problem is Teams-specific. > I found Teams on Linux was useable, > you are not being tied to Windows. Um, OK... But I think the Teams set up is determined by computer staff as a part of Office365. In any case, I don't really want to use Teams on Linux, I only want the Teams messages readable in my regular university mail, via Alpine. Thomas Gramstad > > Example message below, with sender name anonymized by me. > > > > Thomas Gramstad > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 08:45:26 +0000 > > From: NN in Teams > > To: thomas.gramstad@ub.uio.no > > Subject: NN mentioned UB-felles > > > > Hei UB-felles ?Det har ?pnet seg opp noen plasser til filmvisingen p? > > Cinemateket i dag, som > > egentlig > > erfullbooket...?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > ???????????????????????????????????????? > > Hi, > > [IMAGE] > > NN mentioned UB-felles in UB-felles > General > > Hei UB-felles ?Det har ?pnet seg opp noen plasser til filmvisingen p? > > Cinemateket i dag, som > > egentlig er fullbooket... > > ??Reply in Teams? > > Install Microsoft Teams now > > ??? > > [IMAGE] > > ??? > > ??iOS > > ??? > > ?? > > [IMAGE] > > ??? > > Android > > ?? > > This email was sent from an unmonitored mailbox. Update your email > > preferences in Teams. > > Activity > Settings (Gear Icon) > Notifications. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________________ > > [IMAGE] > > _______________________________________________ > > Alpine-info mailing list > > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman23.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > > > > From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Oct 8 04:20:10 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (=?UTF-8?Q?Andra=C5=BE_'nhomega'_Levstik?= via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Oct 8 04:20:17 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Reading Teams messages in Alpine? In-Reply-To: References: <7e3c93bc-b634-6b88-ee37-eb7b6261c2db@ifi.uio.no> <9b8301de-33cb-43f4-0c79-b966e67db92f@aitchison.me.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Oct 2025, Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info wrote: > Um, OK... But I think the Teams set up is determined by computer > staff as a part of Office365. > > In any case, I don't really want to use Teams on Linux, I only > want the Teams messages readable in my regular university mail, > via Alpine. > Having looked through various Teams settings I haven't found any way to get them to forward the messages as an email out of the box. There was a time - years ago(last I have is 2018) when Teams actually archived conversations into a "Conversation History" but that hasn't been a thing in a while. What you can look into is using Power Automate to do so for you though - I'm not sure if the free tier supports this but possibly. Hopefully that helps in some way. Regards -- Andra? 'nhOmega' Levstik Geek/Hacker/Tinker What use is magic if it can't save a unicorn? From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Oct 8 09:13:20 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Oct 8 09:13:32 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Reading Teams messages in Alpine? (NN mentioned UB-felles (fwd) In-Reply-To: <7e3c93bc-b634-6b88-ee37-eb7b6261c2db@ifi.uio.no> References: <7e3c93bc-b634-6b88-ee37-eb7b6261c2db@ifi.uio.no> Message-ID: <77cff474-f640-53dc-8002-03a598564945@yandex.com> On Wed, 8 Oct 2025, Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info wrote: > > At work a lot of people seem to be moving away from E-mail to > sending messages in Teams. I receive notes by e-mail that a new > Teams message has been sent to me, but it seems that I must login > into Teams in order to actually read the message. But still the > Teams message seems to be some kind of Microsoft 365 mail > message. Here is the key question you need an answer to: Can these messages be read through the web interface of Outlook? (please notice I said "web interface of Outlook", I did not say "web interface of Teams"). As of this time the answer does not matter from the perspective of Alpine, but it does matter from the perspective of how the message is treated internally by Microsoft. Even though one could make the argument that a message in Teams is equivalent to an email message. I think of messages in Teams as "chat", not as emails (which could be handled by replying to group/person or saved or forwarded, printed, etc.). To me it seems that Teams messages are not as rich as emails, so I doubt that a Teams message can be handled in the web interface in Outlook, but I would love to be proved wrong, because as you have clearly identified it, that is a useful thing. The other difficulty that you will have is an unexpected difficulty. It turns out that apps need permissions to access resources. That is the beauty and drama of XOAUTH2. The Microsoft apps have permission to access Microsoft resources, and this is seamless to you, but other apps have to be given permission by the user and by the administrator of the server. The last point is where you will find trouble. Will your administrator allow an app that they do not know, that was not written with the purpose to access Teams, access a portion of Teams? This is where fears of security enters the game. Most administrators will deny you that because they do not know the app you are using and Microsoft keeps telling them not to allow other apps if they have access to the resource through the Microsoft app, which is secure and respects the privacy of their users. Now you see where I am going? You are stuck to using the Microsoft app to do this. This is an uphill battle. Unless there is a protocol published by Microsoft to allow access (and in general handling) of messages in Teams through the web interface of Outlook, there is no hope of doing that. Why is there any hope if the access is through the web interface of Outlook? Because that is a protocol that Alpine could be programmed to access. It is much easier to convince an administrator that you want to use an email program to read email than to convince an administrator to use an email program to read Teams. That in theory could be done, but we are not there yet. I hope this helps. -- Eduardo From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Thu Oct 9 10:16:40 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Mark Hills via Alpine-info) Date: Thu Oct 9 10:17:05 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Repository mirror and availability in the UK Message-ID: <30435a30-7f8a-8f3f-551e-d8761ac58db6@xwax.org> I'm no longer able to follow Alpine development versions because of: https://repo.or.cz/uk-blocked.html So I'm interested in a mirror, which this appears to be https://github.com/alpinemail/alpine Hoever the mirror hasn't updated since 2024-05-27. Please can I express my thanks, and interest in having this available? That repo is labelled in GitHub as "Public" and not "Public mirror" -- which is what I've seen on other projects where GitHub is aware and automates the mirroring. So I assume this is just a regular repo that is pushed to by someone. Is that person able to help, or can someone offer an alternative mirror? Thanks -- Mark From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Thu Oct 9 11:33:47 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Joshua Miller via Alpine-info) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:33:35 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Repository mirror and availability in the UK In-Reply-To: <30435a30-7f8a-8f3f-551e-d8761ac58db6@xwax.org> References: <30435a30-7f8a-8f3f-551e-d8761ac58db6@xwax.org> Message-ID: At the risk of sounding snarky, you may want to look into a VPN service, or something akin to that (ex. an ssh jump host). FWIW, ProtonVPN has a free tier: https://protonvpn.com/pricing There are loads of options. I just happen to have looked that one up recently. Needless to say, that will also help when you inevitably run into similar issues elsewhere. HTH, -- Josh I. On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 1:17?PM Mark Hills via Alpine-info < alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote: > I'm no longer able to follow Alpine development versions because of: > > https://repo.or.cz/uk-blocked.html > > So I'm interested in a mirror, which this appears to be > > https://github.com/alpinemail/alpine > > Hoever the mirror hasn't updated since 2024-05-27. > > Please can I express my thanks, and interest in having this available? > > That repo is labelled in GitHub as "Public" and not "Public mirror" -- > which is what I've seen on other projects where GitHub is aware and > automates the mirroring. > > So I assume this is just a regular repo that is pushed to by someone. > > Is that person able to help, or can someone offer an alternative mirror? > > Thanks > > -- > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman23.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 2:33?PM Joshua Miller wrote: > At the risk of sounding snarky, you may want to look into a VPN service, > or something akin to that (ex. an ssh jump host). > > FWIW, ProtonVPN has a free tier: https://protonvpn.com/pricing > There are loads of options. I just happen to have looked that one up > recently. > > Needless to say, that will also help when you inevitably run into similar > issues elsewhere. > > HTH, > -- > Josh I. > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 1:17?PM Mark Hills via Alpine-info < > alpine-info@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> I'm no longer able to follow Alpine development versions because of: >> >> https://repo.or.cz/uk-blocked.html >> >> So I'm interested in a mirror, which this appears to be >> >> https://github.com/alpinemail/alpine >> >> Hoever the mirror hasn't updated since 2024-05-27. >> >> Please can I express my thanks, and interest in having this available? >> >> That repo is labelled in GitHub as "Public" and not "Public mirror" -- >> which is what I've seen on other projects where GitHub is aware and >> automates the mirroring. >> >> So I assume this is just a regular repo that is pushed to by someone. >> >> Is that person able to help, or can someone offer an alternative mirror? >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> Alpine-info mailing list >> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman23.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Thu Oct 9 13:22:20 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Mats Dufberg via Alpine-info) Date: Thu Oct 9 13:22:29 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Repository mirror and availability in the UK In-Reply-To: <30435a30-7f8a-8f3f-551e-d8761ac58db6@xwax.org> References: <30435a30-7f8a-8f3f-551e-d8761ac58db6@xwax.org> Message-ID: <04b6200e-370f-05b0-8b63-a8dfdd18eff3@dufberg.se> It would be simple if the mirror on Github work, but you could, as an alternative, get a cheap VPS somewhere, and make that fetch the repo from repo.or.cz and then you could fetch from your repo. The only thing that you need to have open is SSH. Now you have the control and can use it for any repository in the future that is blocked due to the UK rules. Yours, Mats On 2025-10-09, 18:16 (+0100) Mark Hills via Alpine-info I'm no longer able to follow Alpine development versions because of: > > https://repo.or.cz/uk-blocked.html > > So I'm interested in a mirror, which this appears to be > > https://github.com/alpinemail/alpine > > Hoever the mirror hasn't updated since 2024-05-27. > > Please can I express my thanks, and interest in having this available? > > That repo is labelled in GitHub as "Public" and not "Public mirror" -- > which is what I've seen on other projects where GitHub is aware and > automates the mirroring. > > So I assume this is just a regular repo that is pushed to by someone. > > Is that person able to help, or can someone offer an alternative mirror? > > Thanks > > -- > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman23.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > ------------------------------------------------------ | Mats Dufberg | mats@dufberg.se | | Sp?nga kyrkv?g 618 | +46 8 38 48 59 | | SE-16362 Sp?nga, Sweden | +46 70 258 25 88 | ------------------------------------------------------ From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Thu Oct 9 13:34:43 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Doug Luce via Alpine-info) Date: Thu Oct 9 13:37:02 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Repository mirror and availability in the UK In-Reply-To: <30435a30-7f8a-8f3f-551e-d8761ac58db6@xwax.org> References: <30435a30-7f8a-8f3f-551e-d8761ac58db6@xwax.org> Message-ID: <2956080b-4c86-873b-1707-c8f038314018@alpine.con.com> I've done a manual update of the Github mirror so it should be at Eduardo's HEAD now. Seems the "Public mirror" label is a Github-internal thing and not accessible to regular customers. I'll look into using a Github action or something else to keep it up to date automatically. I generally use SSH's SOCKS tunneling capability to route requests to a machine in the US and get around country blocks like this. Doug On Thu, 9 Oct 2025, Mark Hills via Alpine-info wrote: > I'm no longer able to follow Alpine development versions because of: > > https://repo.or.cz/uk-blocked.html > > So I'm interested in a mirror, which this appears to be > > https://github.com/alpinemail/alpine > > Hoever the mirror hasn't updated since 2024-05-27. > > Please can I express my thanks, and interest in having this available? > > That repo is labelled in GitHub as "Public" and not "Public mirror" -- > which is what I've seen on other projects where GitHub is aware and > automates the mirroring. > > So I assume this is just a regular repo that is pushed to by someone. > > Is that person able to help, or can someone offer an alternative mirror? > > Thanks > > -- > Mark > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman23.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sat Oct 11 09:16:10 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Mark Hills via Alpine-info) Date: Sat Oct 11 09:16:24 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Repository mirror and availability in the UK In-Reply-To: <2956080b-4c86-873b-1707-c8f038314018@alpine.con.com> References: <30435a30-7f8a-8f3f-551e-d8761ac58db6@xwax.org> <2956080b-4c86-873b-1707-c8f038314018@alpine.con.com> Message-ID: <58e7919b-59d0-c3b1-168d-3286db135230@xwax.org> On Thu, 9 Oct 2025, Doug Luce wrote: > I've done a manual update of the Github mirror so it should be at > Eduardo's HEAD now. Thanks, I can see those patches now. Very helpful. > Seems the "Public mirror" label is a Github-internal thing and not > accessible to regular customers. I'll look into using a Github action or > something else to keep it up to date automatically. That would be a great, thank you. A shame they no longer offer this as a first-class feature, but I suspect that's their business interests. > I generally use SSH's SOCKS tunneling capability to route requests to a > machine in the US and get around country blocks like this. Yes, and I won't speak on UK politics here but I suspect as a technical problem it's best to look for solution from both sides. I'll investigate using Git over a SOCKS proxy (any tips appreciated) so I always have an option. But also it's healthy for a project like Alpine to have mirrors. FWIW I'm generally supportive of the use of a smaller hosting provider (like repo.or.cz); instead of the whole world on GitHub. Thanks again, -- Mark From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sat Oct 11 09:33:16 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Mark Hills via Alpine-info) Date: Sat Oct 11 09:33:27 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Crash on calendar invite; ical_parse_generic_comp() NULL pointer In-Reply-To: <9374a265-918d-ea9f-127c-86e2255810f2@yandex.com> References: <9374a265-918d-ea9f-127c-86e2255810f2@yandex.com> Message-ID: <78a86baa-d462-c909-390e-76863897375a@xwax.org> On Sun, 14 Sep 2025, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info wrote: > On Thu, 11 Sep 2025, Mark Hills via Alpine-info wrote: > > > In general, calendar invitation emails are working though I rarely receive > > them. > > > > In this case I have one that crashes Alpine. [...] > What I did is to add a check function that detects this problem and fixes it > so that the internal Alpine routines do not choke on bad data. The fix is > already uploaded to the git repository. Thanks, I tested this patch and it now makes sense of the affected invite. I've also reported it upstream to lfx.dev, but I'm not clear if the ICS attachment is written by them or originated from Zoom. I suppose if all Zoom invites caused Alpine to crash someone else would have noticed by now. Either way, I think that's the end of the matter for me. Thanks for fixing! -- Mark From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Oct 15 20:14:46 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Oct 15 20:14:50 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] another long shot question? Message-ID: In terms of there being an alpine solution I mean. Most of the time I use pine instead. One specific reason is that very very often I must stop and read material while in my inbox..an article for example. In every alpine build to which I have access save for here at shellworld, my inbox closes while I am reading..pine does not do this. Still, for reasons I cannot follow suddenly my work related rolling stone newsletter subscriptions have stopped. The shellworld admin uses a service, he does not manage the mail of his customers directly. I know my rolling stone account is fine, tested it by trying to re-subscribe, and it pulled my preferences right up. I suppose it is comparative to my whitelisting question, a way that content gets through, even if some odd source tries to say otherwise. what I find personally frustrating is I am missing this needful content..but getting several spam messages from tiktok that I cannot filter. we have no spam folder here. before folks suggest I go elsewhere, one critical item here for me is several browsers. I can in pone and alpine change what browser I want to use for displaying a email link. Rarely needful with rolling stone, their site rocks with lynx the cat..pun attended. Given most sources expect one to have a spam folder to correct this problem though, I am seeking an option before I sing out to rolling stone itself. Any ideas? Kare From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Oct 15 20:42:40 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chime Hart via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Oct 15 20:42:44 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] another long shot question? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1013a6b0-d153-e69d-aed7-82adb05f664a@hubert-humphrey.com> Wow, Karen, quite interesting. Maybe Rolling Stone thinks you are not reading their mailings, as Politico continues unsubscribing myself for that reason. Although I was useing L Y N X They wrote-and-said I wasn't reading, so they would save space in my inbox. In just thinking creatively, why not launch a browser from the mail client which closes? Then type a g and view content locally through L Y N X, meanwhile you haven't suspended pine or alpine.. Actually, just tried this, a better way, while you are in L Y N X hit a g followed by a dot. You will be browsing your home-and-other directories on Shellworld. While browsing, you can tag, remove, or rename groups of files. Hope any or all of these suggestions will make life easier. Chime From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Oct 15 21:05:26 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Oct 15 21:05:29 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] another long shot question? In-Reply-To: <1013a6b0-d153-e69d-aed7-82adb05f664a@hubert-humphrey.com> References: <1013a6b0-d153-e69d-aed7-82adb05f664a@hubert-humphrey.com> Message-ID: Hi Chime, To check if rolling stone was concerned I visited my account..they still have me subscribed, in fact I added a few more newsletters. If I follow your idea though, I may be doing this now. Revisiting prior posts from my inbox and reading articles. that tends to my reading trending things too, so it is clear I am reading. Rolling stone, or its parent company, has a direct accessibility contact. If my reading does not jump start things, I will write them directly to ask if they are getting bounces..that would be a shellworld issue. Cheers, Kare On Wed, 15 Oct 2025, Chime Hart wrote: > Wow, Karen, quite interesting. Maybe Rolling Stone thinks you are not reading > their mailings, as Politico continues unsubscribing myself for that reason. > Although I was useing L Y N X They wrote-and-said I wasn't reading, so they > would save space in my inbox. In just thinking creatively, why not launch a > browser from the mail client which closes? Then type a g and view content > locally through L Y N X, meanwhile you haven't suspended pine or alpine.. > Actually, just tried this, a better way, while you are in L Y N X hit a g > followed by a dot. You will be browsing your home-and-other directories on > Shellworld. While browsing, you can tag, remove, or rename groups of files. > Hope any or all of these suggestions will make life easier. > Chime > > From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Thu Oct 16 04:16:59 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info) Date: Thu Oct 16 04:17:12 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] another long shot question? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c277b2b-2847-4949-eca9-01a46f9ab9d0@aitchison.me.uk> On Wed, 15 Oct 2025, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info wrote: > In terms of there being an alpine solution I mean. > > Most of the time I use pine instead. One specific reason is that very very > often I must stop and read material while in my inbox..an article for > example. > In every alpine build to which I have access save for here at shellworld, my > inbox closes while I am reading..pine does not do this. I'm not really sure what is going on here. I know that when I start another program from within alpine it can either set the other program going and continue or wait for the second one to finish before resuming. With a screen reader that *might* fit your description. The "URL-Viewers" and " Defining URL-Viewers in an X windows environment: for advanced users and systems administrators" help pages *may* give some hints on this. > Still, for reasons I cannot follow suddenly my work related rolling stone > newsletter subscriptions have stopped. > The shellworld admin uses a service, he does not manage the mail of his > customers directly. > I know my rolling stone account is fine, tested it by trying to re-subscribe, > and it pulled my preferences right up. > I suppose it is comparative to my whitelisting question, a way that content > gets through, even if some odd source tries to say otherwise. > what I find personally frustrating is I am missing this needful content..but > getting several spam messages from tiktok that I cannot filter. we have no > spam folder here. > before folks suggest I go elsewhere, one critical item here for me is several > browsers. I can in pone and alpine change what browser I want to use for > displaying a email link. Rarely needful with rolling stone, their site rocks > with lynx the cat..pun attended. > Given most sources expect one to have a spam folder to correct this problem > though, I am seeking an option before I sing out to rolling stone itself. > Any ideas? If your newsletters are no longer being sent because you do not appear to be reading them, it may be because (al)pine and lynx do not examine javascript or images (sometimes transparent or single-pixel to make them "invisible"). Each of these is often included in newsletters to signal that the newsletter is being read. -- Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK andrew@aitchison.me.uk From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Thu Oct 16 09:06:22 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info) Date: Thu Oct 16 09:06:26 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] another long shot question? In-Reply-To: <7c277b2b-2847-4949-eca9-01a46f9ab9d0@aitchison.me.uk> References: <7c277b2b-2847-4949-eca9-01a46f9ab9d0@aitchison.me.uk> Message-ID: actually, no on the screen reader...think of a screen reader like your monitor. In some systems the screen reader itself is a part of the computer's os. In others it is launched long before anything else. The error alpine presents is inbox is closed due to access error. It is not waiting, if that resonates. And, as shared, the problem only seems, for me at least, to happen with certain Alpine configurations..I do not know enough about alpine to know why however. On Thu, 16 Oct 2025, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2025, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info wrote: > >> In terms of there being an alpine solution I mean. >> >> Most of the time I use pine instead. One specific reason is that very >> very often I must stop and read material while in my inbox..an article >> for example. >> In every alpine build to which I have access save for here at shellworld, >> my inbox closes while I am reading..pine does not do this. > > I'm not really sure what is going on here. > I know that when I start another program from within alpine it can either > set the other program going and continue or wait for the second one to finish > before resuming. With a screen reader that *might* fit your description. > > The "URL-Viewers" and " Defining URL-Viewers in an X windows environment: for > advanced users and systems administrators" help pages *may* give some hints > on this. > >> Still, for reasons I cannot follow suddenly my work related rolling stone >> newsletter subscriptions have stopped. >> The shellworld admin uses a service, he does not manage the mail of his >> customers directly. >> I know my rolling stone account is fine, tested it by trying to >> re-subscribe, and it pulled my preferences right up. >> I suppose it is comparative to my whitelisting question, a way that >> content gets through, even if some odd source tries to say otherwise. >> what I find personally frustrating is I am missing this needful >> content..but getting several spam messages from tiktok that I cannot >> filter. we have no spam folder here. >> before folks suggest I go elsewhere, one critical item here for me is >> several browsers. I can in pone and alpine change what browser I want to >> use for displaying a email link. Rarely needful with rolling stone, their >> site rocks with lynx the cat..pun attended. >> Given most sources expect one to have a spam folder to correct this >> problem though, I am seeking an option before I sing out to rolling stone >> itself. >> Any ideas? > > If your newsletters are no longer being sent because you do not appear to be > reading them, it may be because (al)pine and lynx do not examine javascript > or images (sometimes transparent or single-pixel to make them "invisible"). > Each of these is often included in newsletters to signal > that the newsletter is being read. > > -- > Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK > andrew@aitchison.me.uk > > From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Thu Oct 16 22:31:37 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info) Date: Thu Oct 16 22:31:39 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] another long shot question? In-Reply-To: References: <7c277b2b-2847-4949-eca9-01a46f9ab9d0@aitchison.me.uk> Message-ID: well..I was about to sing out with success as two pieces came through. Then several critical ones did not reach me, Kiss lost Ace today, and spotify is creating ai products with the blessing of major industry members..but I cannot reach those stories as they did not reach me. sigh, Kare From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Oct 19 12:54:33 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Oct 19 12:54:47 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] slow Fetching folder data ... Message-ID: <903q8384-92q0-2o42-6opn-n04s1qos20n5@ynzoengr.vans.vg> Occasionally when switching folders I get a messge "Fetching folder data ..." which might take a long time. I suspect gmail imap may be the culprit. My arrangement has 4 incoming folders (local INBOX, 2 remote IMAP and 1 POP3 inboxes ... the latter three normally empty as they are managed by fetchmail), **a lot** of local folders in several directories, and two remote IMPA folder collections (normally empty but for spam, checlked nce per day). Usually when I enter alpine I issue an "L" command and this prompts me for the master password. After that usually all goes OK (including further L commands). Sometimes sporadically a further L command or folder change, even if in the local fodler collection causes the Fetching folder data delay. I tried two accesses on a fresh alpine session ome after the other. In one I first type G and ^T which gets me to the default local folder collection. I then navigate the folder screen, access folders immediately, and can enter also the remote folder collections (instantly) after typing the master password (once) In the other I first type L, enter the master password and get the delay in all further accesses. Any idea ? -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Se si maneggiassero di pi? i libri che le armi, non si vedrebbero tante stragi, tanti misfatti e tante brutture" (Aldo Manuzio, ca. 1506) "If people would handle more books than weapons, we would not see so msny carnages, misdeeds, and awful things." (Aldus Manutius, ca. 1506) From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Oct 19 13:45:46 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Oct 19 13:45:56 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] slow Fetching folder data ... In-Reply-To: <903q8384-92q0-2o42-6opn-n04s1qos20n5@ynzoengr.vans.vg> References: <903q8384-92q0-2o42-6opn-n04s1qos20n5@ynzoengr.vans.vg> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 Oct 2025, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote: > Occasionally when switching folders I get a messge "Fetching folder data > ..." which might take a long time. I suspect gmail imap may be the > culprit. Do you have [X] Expanded View of Folders enabled? If so, disable it. Opening folder will take you two steps, but the delay will be gone. -- Eduardo From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Oct 19 15:02:52 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Oct 19 15:02:59 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] slow Fetching folder data ... In-Reply-To: <903q8384-92q0-2o42-6opn-n04s1qos20n5@ynzoengr.vans.vg> References: <903q8384-92q0-2o42-6opn-n04s1qos20n5@ynzoengr.vans.vg> Message-ID: On 2025-10-19 21:54, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote: > Occasionally when switching folders I get a messge "Fetching folder > data ..." which might take a long time. I suspect gmail imap may be the > culprit. ...> > Any idea ? Besides what Eduardo says, gmail imap is slower than other providers. Maybe keeping the INBOX small helps. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.6 x86_64 at Telcontar) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 209 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Oct 20 12:59:34 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Oct 20 12:59:47 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] slow Fetching folder data ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <494qps4o-9p96-9174-pn29-qqr183q15srr@ynzoengr.vans.vg> Eduardo Chappa: > [X] Expanded View of Folders > [...] disable it It is already disabled On Mon, 20 Oct 2025, Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info wrote: > Besides what Eduardo says, gmail imap is slower than other providers. > Maybe keeping the INBOX small helps. The inbox on the gmail imap (listed in the incoming folders) in the current configuration is de facto always empty, since I've set it to automatically forward to a third party, more fetchmail-friendly. The inbox of the third party in turn is also usually virtually empty (it is fetched every 5 min ... so it contains just messages "in transit" ... one of the great things with Alpine is that I can access them before they are fetched ... useful for form-submission confirmations and alike). My inbox never has more than 30-40 messages. Of the OTHER folders on the gmail imap (in a dedicated folder collection), the Spam one contains some 20-30 messages (last month ? spam, auto-purged), and the Bin one contains the traffic of the last day (the auto-forward unforturnately does not purge them but stores in Bin). They are accessed via Alpine once per day (and Bin is cleared). No other folders used. I have however plenty (hundreds) of local folders "by subject", in several directories. The "delay" as I say is sporadic. Some days yes, most days no delay. And I can overcome if I do NOT type the master password (do not use the L command) but use just the G command and do not enter the non-local folder collections. Thanks anyhow.