[Alpine-info] "[MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]"

[Barry Landy via Alpine-info]

meanwhile with exactly those settings (I havent changed anything) the 
interruptions have got bad again.

On Wed, 5 Feb 2025, Barry Landy wrote:


:>I experimented with some settings which have helped a lot but not cured 

:>the problem completely.

:>

:>the settings are

:>

:>mail checkinterval has always been large

:>

:>TCP open timeout = 100

:>TCP query timeout = 100

:>TCP close connection timeout=150 

:>(this i first made 100 then raised it)

:>

:>I put these in individually and observed effects.

:>

:>I still get the dread message occasionally with no common factor that I 

:>can spot. I would be greateful for other suggestions of what to try.

:>

:>FYI I am running under Windows (11) and not UNix.

:>

:>

:>

:>On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Barry Landy via Alpine-info wrote:

:>

:>:>I have exactly the same problem for exactly the same reason. 

:>:>

:>:>Not due to mail check interval as that was already large.

:>:>

:>:>I am extremely interested to know if any of you get anywhere with 

:>:>setting timeout values.

:>:>

:>:>

:>:>On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info wrote:

:>:>

:>:>:>

:>:>:>Thank you Milt, those links were very informative!

:>:>:>

:>:>:>Then I checked all the timeout values in my config:

:>:>:>

:>:>:>I have Check incoming mail interval at 15 seconds, and

:>:>:>vaguely remember there was a reason for that many years

:>:>:>ago.

:>:>:>

:>:>:>I have at least 4 TCP-related timeouts, but they are all

:>:>:>set at "No Value". I suspect I should do something about

:>:>:>that. What does "No Value" mean for those?

:>:>:>

:>:>:>Then there is this one, which I have no idea what means:

:>:>:>

:>:>:>User Input Timeout              = <No Value Set: using "0"> 

:>:>:>

:>:>:>There are a few others (like "Rsh timeout") which sound

:>:>:>less relevant.

:>:>:>

:>:>:>So there seem to be quite a few more timeouts in Alpine now than 

:>:>:>in 2016.

:>:>:>

:>:>:>(By "logging into Alpine" I meant the OAuth thing which requires

:>:>:>me to enter a password that it has stored.)

:>:>:>

:>:>:>I'll try the < up one level thing the next time the disconnect 

:>:>:>occurs.

:>:>:>

:>:>:>But please advise about the 4 TCP settings above.

:>:>:>

:>:>:>Thomas Gramstad

:>:>:>

:>:>:>

:>:>:>On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Milt Epstein via Alpine-info wrote:

:>:>:>

:>:>:>> I didn't think I had anything to say about this because I haven't

:>:>:>> experienced this error, but then I found a reference to this error

:>:>:>> message in my saved mail, in an old thread on this mailing list (from

:>:>:>> January 28, 2016).

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> So I went to the mailing list info url in each list message:

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> and went to the list archives.  But the list archives there only goes

:>:>:>> back about three years.  But I did find a list archive at marc.info:

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> https://marc.info/?l=alpine-info&r=1&w=2

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> And then from January 2016:

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> https://marc.info/?l=alpine-info&r=1&b=201601&w=2

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> And then the thread in question ([Alpine-info] Best timeout settings

:>:>:>> for connecting to Exchange server?):

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> https://marc.info/?t=145399947700006&r=1&w=2

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> You might take a look at that to see if there's anything helpful

:>:>:>> there.

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> Also, people's suggestion to back out of the folder (using "<") and

:>:>:>> re-enter it (rather than quitting Alpine) seems worth a try.

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> BTW, what do you mean by "log in to Alpine"?  (Because one doesn't

:>:>:>> really have to log in to alpine.  Probably you're having alpine

:>:>:>> connect to some mail server -- which may be relevant to getting that

:>:>:>> error message; but it does seem that others replying to your message

:>:>:>> have figured that out.)

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> Milt Epstein

:>:>:>> mepstein at illinois.edu

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info wrote:

:>:>:>> 

:>:>:>> > The Subject: line is an error message that I get very often

:>:>:>> > in Alpine, like several times per hour:

:>:>:>> > 

:>:>:>> > [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]

:>:>:>> > 

:>:>:>> > When this happens, in the folder I am in I can still see the 

:>:>:>> > numbered list of messages, but if I try to open a message to read 

:>:>:>> > it, there is nothing to read. I then have to quit Alpine, start 

:>:>:>> > Alpine a new, and log in to Alpine, and then I can read the 

:>:>:>> > messages.

:>:>:>> > 

:>:>:>> > This frequent need to quit and restart is annoying. Is there 

:>:>:>> > something I can do to prevent, or at least reduce the number of 

:>:>:>> > such incidents? Like checking something more often, or less 

:>:>:>> > often, or switch something off?

:>:>:>> > 

:>:>:>> > Thomas Gramstad

:>:>:>> > _______________________________________________

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