[Alpine-info] "[MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]"

[Barry Landy via Alpine-info]

Just BTW when I get the dread message I type "L" "enter" to reopen 
whatever folder I was reading. That's just TWO key strokes and not FOUR.

On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Milt Epstein via Alpine-info wrote:


:>For more information on these timeouts (like what exactly they affect

:>and what it means if there're no values set), you'll have to hear from

:>others, perhaps Eduardo.  I'll just add that my .pinerc has comments

:>before these settings that give some explanation of what they control

:>and what the default values are (which are sometimes 0, which may mean

:>the timeout is off).  Also, in the config, I think you can hit "?" for

:>help when looking at a setting to get more info about it.

:>

:>I thought it might be the check incoming mail timeout value, which was

:>somewhat highlighted in that previous thread -- but someone responded

:>in this thread that they were having the same problem as you and had

:>already tried changing that value.

:>

:>Some other suggestions:

:>

:>You can try changine one or two of these timeouts, to see whether that

:>makes a difference in the behavior.

:>

:>Maybe you can run alpine with a higher debug level, and then when it

:>disconnects, you may have more information there that can guide you to

:>a soluation.

:>

:>Milt Epstein

:>mepstein at illinois.edu

:>

:>

:>On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

:>

:>> 

:>> Thank you Milt, those links were very informative!

:>> 

:>> Then I checked all the timeout values in my config:

:>> 

:>> I have Check incoming mail interval at 15 seconds, and

:>> vaguely remember there was a reason for that many years

:>> ago.

:>> 

:>> I have at least 4 TCP-related timeouts, but they are all

:>> set at "No Value". I suspect I should do something about

:>> that. What does "No Value" mean for those?

:>> 

:>> Then there is this one, which I have no idea what means:

:>> 

:>> User Input Timeout              = <No Value Set: using "0"> 

:>> 

:>> There are a few others (like "Rsh timeout") which sound

:>> less relevant.

:>> 

:>> So there seem to be quite a few more timeouts in Alpine now than 

:>> in 2016.

:>> 

:>> (By "logging into Alpine" I meant the OAuth thing which requires

:>> me to enter a password that it has stored.)

:>> 

:>> I'll try the < up one level thing the next time the disconnect 

:>> occurs.

:>> 

:>> But please advise about the 4 TCP settings above.

:>> 

:>> Thomas Gramstad

:>> 

:>> 

:>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Milt Epstein via Alpine-info wrote:

:>> 

:>> > I didn't think I had anything to say about this because I haven't

:>> > experienced this error, but then I found a reference to this error

:>> > message in my saved mail, in an old thread on this mailing list (from

:>> > January 28, 2016).

:>> > 

:>> > So I went to the mailing list info url in each list message:

:>> > 

:>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info__;!!DZ3fjg!5fUGYHXfaXJLpzIkhH62fsjzbXcAMwd4o4D6KyWsm0EE-ac6NuokM9kRsDz6MYylDPg1fnxhVyjWQAvCSiA$ 

:>> > 

:>> > and went to the list archives.  But the list archives there only goes

:>> > back about three years.  But I did find a list archive at marc.info:

:>> > 

:>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marc.info/?l=alpine-info&r=1&w=2__;!!DZ3fjg!5fUGYHXfaXJLpzIkhH62fsjzbXcAMwd4o4D6KyWsm0EE-ac6NuokM9kRsDz6MYylDPg1fnxhVyjWLZeUaRE$ 

:>> > 

:>> > And then from January 2016:

:>> > 

:>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marc.info/?l=alpine-info&r=1&b=201601&w=2__;!!DZ3fjg!5fUGYHXfaXJLpzIkhH62fsjzbXcAMwd4o4D6KyWsm0EE-ac6NuokM9kRsDz6MYylDPg1fnxhVyjWfLSzz-w$ 

:>> > 

:>> > And then the thread in question ([Alpine-info] Best timeout settings

:>> > for connecting to Exchange server?):

:>> > 

:>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://marc.info/?t=145399947700006&r=1&w=2__;!!DZ3fjg!5fUGYHXfaXJLpzIkhH62fsjzbXcAMwd4o4D6KyWsm0EE-ac6NuokM9kRsDz6MYylDPg1fnxhVyjW6gYrRDQ$ 

:>> > 

:>> > You might take a look at that to see if there's anything helpful

:>> > there.

:>> > 

:>> > Also, people's suggestion to back out of the folder (using "<") and

:>> > re-enter it (rather than quitting Alpine) seems worth a try.

:>> > 

:>> > BTW, what do you mean by "log in to Alpine"?  (Because one doesn't

:>> > really have to log in to alpine.  Probably you're having alpine

:>> > connect to some mail server -- which may be relevant to getting that

:>> > error message; but it does seem that others replying to your message

:>> > have figured that out.)

:>> > 

:>> > Milt Epstein

:>> > mepstein at illinois.edu

:>> > 

:>> > 

:>> > On Sun, 2 Feb 2025, Thomas Gramstad via Alpine-info wrote:

:>> > 

:>> > > The Subject: line is an error message that I get very often

:>> > > in Alpine, like several times per hour:

:>> > > 

:>> > > [MAIL FOLDER "INBOX" CLOSED DUE TO ACCESS ERROR]

:>> > > 

:>> > > When this happens, in the folder I am in I can still see the 

:>> > > numbered list of messages, but if I try to open a message to read 

:>> > > it, there is nothing to read. I then have to quit Alpine, start 

:>> > > Alpine a new, and log in to Alpine, and then I can read the 

:>> > > messages.

:>> > > 

:>> > > This frequent need to quit and restart is annoying. Is there 

:>> > > something I can do to prevent, or at least reduce the number of 

:>> > > such incidents? Like checking something more often, or less 

:>> > > often, or switch something off?

:>> > > 

:>> > > Thomas Gramstad

:>> > > _______________________________________________

:>> > > Alpine-info mailing list

:>> > > Alpine-info at u.washington.edu

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:>> > > 

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:>> > 

:>> 

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