From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Dec 1 08:21:12 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Riku Virtanen via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:20:59 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine and Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <3dc783f2-462a-67f5-a50d-8f3930f586d3@sci.fi> Message-ID: Hi, I am using Oauth. I did not earlier turn on App password, and Google has closed the opportunity to create new App passwords during this year. https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en My problem remains and I cannot log into one Google account with my Linux Alpine. Via Firefox, I can open the account, but Alpine does not connect to it. Is there anything what can I do? Best, Riku On Sun, 28 Sep 2025, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2025, Riku Virtanen via Alpine-info wrote: > >> My Alpine is connected to three Gmail accounts. >> >> Two of three accounts work normally. One works in Windows machine but in my >> Fedora Linux machine, it asks authentization. > > Are you using OAuth2 or "app password" ? > > I personally avoid Gmail as the plague. I get its normal mail via forwarding > to another provider and fetchmail, and I use "app password". > > App password (different from your interactive password) requires you set up > 2FA (two factor authentication) and get a special app password from their > site, and copy it promptly because it is saved nowhere for further access. > > Then you can configure alpine to access gmail site/folders with your > username, and the first time you access it, allow alpine to store it in its > master-password-protected password list. I imagine you have to use different > app password for each of your gmail accounts (I have only one on gmail but > two others elsewhere). Be sure you supply the right one for each account. > Alpine can store multiple account passwords, so in each future access you > type just the master password once. > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman23.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Dec 1 10:21:05 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Dec 1 10:21:11 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine and Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <3dc783f2-462a-67f5-a50d-8f3930f586d3@sci.fi> Message-ID: <94e03f00-0b85-93b9-463a-75e991cb0802@aitchison.me.uk> On Mon, 1 Dec 2025, Riku Virtanen via Alpine-info wrote: > Hi, > > I am using Oauth. I did not earlier turn on App password, and Google has > closed the opportunity to create new App passwords during this year. > https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en > > My problem remains and I cannot log into one Google account with my Linux > Alpine. Via Firefox, I can open the account, but Alpine does not connect to > it. Is there anything what can I do? You can get gmail to forward that email to either one of your other gmail accounts, or to any other email account you have. > On Sun, 28 Sep 2025, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote: > >> On Sun, 28 Sep 2025, Riku Virtanen via Alpine-info wrote: >> >>> My Alpine is connected to three Gmail accounts. >>> >>> Two of three accounts work normally. One works in Windows machine but in >>> my Fedora Linux machine, it asks authentization. >> >> Are you using OAuth2 or "app password" ? >> >> I personally avoid Gmail as the plague. I get its normal mail via >> forwarding to another provider and fetchmail, and I use "app password". >> >> App password (different from your interactive password) requires you set up >> 2FA (two factor authentication) and get a special app password from their >> site, and copy it promptly because it is saved nowhere for further access. >> >> Then you can configure alpine to access gmail site/folders with your >> username, and the first time you access it, allow alpine to store it in its >> master-password-protected password list. I imagine you have to use >> different app password for each of your gmail accounts (I have only one on >> gmail but two others elsewhere). Be sure you supply the right one for each >> account. Alpine can store multiple account passwords, so in each future >> access you type just the master password once. -- Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK andrew@aitchison.me.uk From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Dec 1 11:17:17 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Dec 1 11:17:33 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine and Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <3dc783f2-462a-67f5-a50d-8f3930f586d3@sci.fi> Message-ID: <43b764cd-3f79-4d39-ea63-e75d253f03a6@yandex.com> On Mon, 1 Dec 2025, Riku Virtanen via Alpine-info wrote: > I am using Oauth. I did not earlier turn on App password, and Google has > closed the opportunity to create new App passwords during this year. > https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en > > My problem remains and I cannot log into one Google account with my Linux > Alpine. Riku, you claim that you are using Oauth to connect to google, but alpine cannot. Did you follow the directions under https://alpineapp.email/alpine/alpine-info/misc/xoauth2.html#SettingUpGmail If not, please let me know where you need help. Thank you. -- Eduardo From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Dec 1 11:33:22 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Dec 1 11:33:36 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine and Gmail In-Reply-To: References: <3dc783f2-462a-67f5-a50d-8f3930f586d3@sci.fi> Message-ID: <492r452s-8ror-q526-7574-qsss2rr233op@ynzoengr.vans.vg> Hello, I am not sure why you are mailing me directly instead of posting on the mailing list. I am not an expert, others on the list may comment better. On Mon, 1 Dec 2025, Riku Virtanen wrote: > I am using Oauth. I did not earlier turn on App password, and Google has > closed the opportunity to create new App passwords during this year. What do you mean by "this year" ? Forever, or is there an yearly quota ? I am not aware of any such limit, AFAIK the following page has not been cancelled https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en, ... and my app password (can't remember when I did set it up) is still working (*) > Via Firefox, I can open the account, but Alpine does not connect to > it. Is there anything what can I do? If you want help about using Oauth with Alpine or debugging it, I suppose Eduardo Chappa or some other person on the list migh know. (*) I must add that my configuration is such that all mail is stored locally. I do not like to leave my mail on somebody's ese machines. To do that I use fetchmail. My Gsuite account is configured to forward "good" mail to a third party, and I fetch it from there. This avoids fetchmail using the G* app password. However there are two cases where I use the G* app password from alpine (usually once per day). One is to check the false positives in the spam folder, the other is to clean the Bin folder (G* implementation of forward does not delete the forwarded messages but copies them to Bin. So they keep a copy for some 24 hours. I wish you luck to become as G*-free as one can. From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Tue Dec 2 08:53:13 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (L. K. via Alpine-info) Date: Tue Dec 2 08:53:18 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Opening postponed messages Message-ID: When I want to open a postponed message (Compose-Continue postponed composition-Yes) and I select the message, Alpine asks "Deleted messages will be removed from folder after use. Proceed?". When I do not want to remove deleted messages, I am in a trap. The only way I have found is to kill the Alpine application. Is there some setting or another way how to open the postponed message or at least escape from the postponed-msgs folder without removing deleted messages? (Windows, Alpine2.23 - 2.26) Regards, L.K. From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Tue Dec 2 09:26:58 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Barry Landy via Alpine-info) Date: Tue Dec 2 09:27:03 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Opening postponed messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2074c0f2-4ed2-313f-c1a7-61e47ac669e0@cantab.net> go to the folder where postponed messages are kept (another setting in pinerc) and Undelete anyu deleted messages and then opened the postponed messages folder again (C P). On Tue, 2 Dec 2025, L. K. via Alpine-info wrote: :>When I want to open a postponed message (Compose-Continue postponed composition-Yes) and I select the message, :>Alpine asks "Deleted messages will be removed from folder after use. Proceed?". :>When I do not want to remove deleted messages, I am in a trap. The only way I have found is to kill the Alpine application. :>Is there some setting or another way how to open the postponed message or at least escape from the postponed-msgs folder :>without removing deleted messages? :>(Windows, Alpine2.23 - 2.26) :> :> Regards, :> :> L.K. :>_______________________________________________ :>Alpine-info mailing list :>Alpine-info@u.washington.edu :>http://mailman23.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info :> -- Barry Landy Home: +44-1223-570417 192, Gilbert Road College: +44-1223-362062 Mobile +44-7771-933945 Cambridge CB4 3PB England Email BarryLandy@cantab.net From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Tue Dec 9 20:05:39 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chime Hart via Alpine-info) Date: Tue Dec 9 20:05:43 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Can we Click Directly to a Zoom Meeting? Message-ID: Hi All: We have my Wife setup in windows11 with a WSL running Ubuntu. While many times she will have numbers for Zoom meetings, sometimes folks will just send rather long urls. In an Alpine config, can we have a way of clicking such an url? Thanks so much in advance Chime From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Dec 10 12:24:43 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Dec 10 12:24:56 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Can we Click Directly to a Zoom Meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7788n762-42o9-qp91-2r5o-1s26p02p9nr4@ynzoengr.vans.vg> On Tue, 9 Dec 2025, Chime Hart via Alpine-info wrote: > In an Alpine config, can we have a way of clicking such an url? For me is default, could be one or both of the following settings [X] Enable Message View URL Links URL-Viewers = /usr/bin/palemoon (replace /usr/bin/palemoon with your favourite browser0 From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Thu Dec 11 11:46:37 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Tim Woodall via Alpine-info) Date: Thu Dec 11 11:46:50 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] preserving role in postponed messages In-Reply-To: <74o046r-s4o-36-pso9-1161spso9264@ynzoengr.vans.vg> References: <74o046r-s4o-36-pso9-1161spso9264@ynzoengr.vans.vg> Message-ID: <65a23dff-0fce-610a-d918-4d5327747c76@woodall.me.uk> On Sun, 9 Nov 2025, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote: > There are a couple of correspondents of mine which do not receive my messages > sent in my usual ways. For them I have to use a special role (which sends via > a specific smtp server). > > It is quite easy to do that when creating a new message or replying. > > However sometimes I have to postpone a message to them. When I resume > composition (M C P) the role is not preserved, nor it seems I can choose the > role. > > Currently the workaround I've found is only to Export the postponed message, > compose a new one with the wished role, and read in the exported file. > > I there a simpler way ? I don't think so. Pretty much exclusively I use roles to set the from address. So I can edit it after the event if necessary and it remembers it while a message is postponed. But there doesn't seem to be a way to select a role after you've started composing a mail. I wasn't even aware of the "Use SMTP server" setting in the roles until I went to look for it so I hadn't come across this particular quirk. I run a local MTA - and I do stuff like that there and point alpine at my local MTA instead. Not sure if you'd call that simpler or not. I also use a remote pinerc. so it's alpine -> remote imap server -> local mail server -> external mail server -> ... Not sure if you'd class that as "easier". All my incoming mail is sorted into folders using my MDA rather than in alpine. Tim.