From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 4 03:49:34 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Christian Kujau via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Aug 4 03:49:45 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] NULL ice in paint_index_line In-Reply-To: <327e59b4-80b0-aed7-bce6-3fb1c7f187ea@nerdbynature.de> References: <4b125715-5153-cd29-1ee8-931e39174a65@yandex.com> <327e59b4-80b0-aed7-bce6-3fb1c7f187ea@nerdbynature.de> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jul 2025, Christian Kujau via Alpine-info wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2025, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info wrote: > > Status Message Delay = -1 > > OK, I did that, and I'm now waiting for this to happen again. Sometimes > this takes a day or two, sometimes a week, I haven't really kept a log on > this :-) Weird. Before reporting that, and before change the configuration, this issue would resurfce every few days. It's been almost two weeks now and the issue has not appeared again. Did someone say _Heisenbug_? :-) Thanks, Christian. -- BOFH excuse #149: Dew on the telephone lines. From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 4 12:18:56 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Matt Ackeret via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Aug 4 12:19:16 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] NULL ice in paint_index_line In-Reply-To: <4b125715-5153-cd29-1ee8-931e39174a65@yandex.com> References: <4b125715-5153-cd29-1ee8-931e39174a65@yandex.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 23 Jul 2025, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info wrote: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2025, Christian Kujau via Alpine-info wrote: > >> For a long time now Alpine would sometimes show the following in its >> status bar below: >> >> NULL ice in paint_index_line: reg index, msgno=9,238 line=41 >> [....] >> I'm tracking the latest Alpine version from Git (currently 2e10831) and >> compile it myself on this Linux machine: >> >> ./configure --prefix=/opt/alpine --disable-debug --disable-mouse \ >> --disable-keyboard-lock --without-krb5 --without-ldap --without-tcl \ >> --without-ntlm --with-ssl --with-default-dead-letter-folder=.dead-letter >> > my suggestion is to quit alpine, restart it, go to the configuration screen and > set > > Status Message Delay = -1 > > then reproduce the problem, and once it has happened, go to the main screen, > press J, then set the debug level to 9 and find what is happening before the > problem begins. interesting, I started a thread about this in 2018.. I'll try doing these at some point, I think there was some way I was hitting this always (with my HUUUUGE number of items in INBOX). From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 4 18:48:05 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chime Hart via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Aug 4 18:48:10 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] NULL ice in paint_index_line In-Reply-To: References: <4b125715-5153-cd29-1ee8-931e39174a65@yandex.com> Message-ID: Its also interesting, sometimes in my Fastmail folder, when this starts, I notice several duplicate messages. So I think I remember a 2nd group following the first, so if there are 5 messages, 6-10 are dupes. My main mailbox never has these. Chime From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 11 20:56:25 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Chime Hart via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Aug 11 20:56:30 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] How-and-Where Would I Enter these Fields? Message-ID: <7bde77ef-dd09-1eb6-07dc-b6b808bfaf80@hubert-humphrey.com> Hi All: I guess I may have an older address for Eduardo, so meanwhile I will ask here, if any1 can please inform how to setup this 2nd news collection? First of all, its `murder getting in to add a new collection, but then I probably didn't input these in the right format. This seems to be an nntp access, which has usenet way back in the 90s or earlier. Here is what I need to put in courtesy of news.software.misc Text Usenet Archive Host: lux-feed1.newsdeef.eu Port: 119 or 563 SSL User: usenet Pass: archive Back again live. I notice a line at the bottom which says "view" what is that for? Also, in the help, it says I can type ^G for help on each field, but all that does is add to items in setup. 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Message-ID: Hi folks, Because google took away basic HTML access, and I have no physical ability to use google's other products, I have a gmail address set to forward to another email I can actually reach. Recently though some important emails have fallen prey to google's filtering system. I am wondering if alpine itself has a process for whitelisting addresses? It will not help me here, will likely need to find another resource to set up imap on this address. However, it would be helpful to know generally. Best, Karen From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Aug 17 13:09:05 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Aug 17 13:09:17 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] does Alpine have a white listing process? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8s29rr9p-43q-po20-r178-95q975q1p0on@ynzoengr.vans.vg> On Sun, 17 Aug 2025, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info wrote: > I have a gmail address set to forward to another email I can actually > reach. For reasons most likely different from yours, I have a similar arrangement, i.e. my work Gsuite ("enterprise" gmail) mail is forwarded to another provider, from where it is fetched via fetchmail and accessed locally by alpine. > Recently though some important emails have fallen prey to google's > filtering system. Please define "fallen prey". With respect to our earlier arrangement before gmail (mail handled locally with institution-customized spamassassin) it appears that we have more false positives and negatives, and also a different pattern of received spam. As far as I can see for a mail coming into a gmail address which is forwarded to a third party address one can have: 1) message is DISCARDED silently when entering gmail (if this happens, one can not tell, but if it does it should be for true spam) 2) message is delivered in gmail Spam folder (true spam or false positives) 3) message is delivered in gmail inbox and forwarded to the third party, and a coipy is stored in gmail Bin 4) message received from third party delivered in its spam folder 5) message delivered in third party inbox Personally I get cases 5 and also rare 4 automatically via fetchmail every 5 minutes, and my alpine sees them as local mail. Instead once a day I access case 2 via alpine and Save the occasional false positive to my local INBOX. I leave real spam there hoping "it learns". Also once per day I access case 3 Bin and delete-and-expunge its entire content. Both fetchmail an alpine access gmail via an app password. > I am wondering if alpine itself has a process for whitelisting > addresses? Maybe, I do not know, as I impkememnt whitelisting at fetchmi/promcail level i.e. before alpine. But I doubt you could whitelist addresses in stages 1/2 BEFORE alpine enters in the track. If your case is stage 2 (false positive), you can define a folder collection in alpine for all gmail folders except its inbox via M S L defing as collection with Server : imap.gmail.com:993/ssl/notls/user=whatever Path : [Gmail]/ For reasons unclear to me that views all gmail folders (I have only the standard ones, and only Spam and Bin aere populated) To access gmail inbox I define in M S C in the Incoming Folders a folder Gsuite {imap.gmail.com:993/ssl/novalidate-cert/notls/user=whatever} De facto in my current arrangement such inbix empties almost instantaneously (except that all stuff is copied to gmail Bin) I have also similar arrangements (a folder collection, and an incoming folder inbox) also for my third party. In principle I could use such incoming folder to check mail "in transit" during the 5 min before it is fetched (I do that for form-authorization messages). For me the third party folder collectio is always empty because fetchmail gets both the inbox and spam (stages 4/5 above i.e. occasional few false positives) So one can do everything (manually) within alpine (but stage 1 assumed it exists). The only "disadvantage" is that an L command within alpine needs to access all folder collections, so needs all the passwords (app password for gmail), but they can be saved via the master password mechanism in alpine). Hope this helps somehow -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Se si maneggiassero di pi? i libri che le armi, non si vedrebbero tante stragi, tanti misfatti e tante brutture" (Aldo Manuzio, ca. 1506) "If people would handle more books than weapons, we would not see so msny carnages, misdeeds, and awful things." (Aldus Manutius, ca. 1506) From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Aug 17 14:04:38 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Aug 17 14:04:52 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] does Alpine have a white listing process? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <279ab7d3-cdb2-8cdb-f2da-fc2ae6520ebf@aitchison.me.uk> On Sun, 17 Aug 2025, Karen Lewellen via Alpine-info wrote: > Hi folks, > Because google took away basic HTML access, and I have no physical ability to > use google's other products, I have a gmail address set to forward to > another email I can actually reach. > Recently though some important emails have fallen prey to google's filtering > system. > > I am wondering if alpine itself has a process for whitelisting addresses? > It will not help me here, will likely need to find another resource to set > up imap on this address. > However, it would be helpful to know generally. If I understand correctly, no, Alpine does not and cannot whitelist addresses. Alpine only sees emails once they have reached the final mailbox. If Google is filtering messages so that they are not forwarded to the email system where you can actually reach, Alpine will not see them. As Lucio says, if Google's filters put these messages in some box on Google, there may be a way for Alpine to see and possibly move them somewhere more accessible. Whilst Google want you to use OAuth2 ~= OAUTHBearer, I believe that Alpine can still use "App passwords" to collect Google mail by IMAP. and have *not* heard that this will change ... (which is less reasuring than hearing that it will not change :-( ). -- Andrew C. 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URL: From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sat Aug 23 12:12:00 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info) Date: Sat Aug 23 12:12:14 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] spam on alpine-info Message-ID: <966r1p6o-p795-275n-9972-74rpp1no3q85@ynzoengr.vans.vg> Eduardo, do you have administrator authority on alpine-info@u.washington.edu ? Can you implement some antispam filtering on fictitious new subscribers ? Or pass this suggestion to the admistrator? I receive the list in digest mode, so it is not much of a nuisance, but in the last days my digest included three obvious spam messages from an otherwise unknown user. Some mailing list force moderator approval on new subscribers. and that wpould be enough to ban spammers. Thanks From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sat Aug 23 12:34:19 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Jonathan Emanuel Campoya via Alpine-info) Date: Sat Aug 23 12:35:02 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] this is not spam Message-ID: Dear friend, this is not spam, I am contributing to the forum in a natural way! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sat Aug 23 21:45:29 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (David Chmelik via Alpine-info) Date: Sat Aug 23 21:45:40 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine hangs but sends mail Message-ID: <108e5d9$11c3$1@ciao.gmane.io> On OpenBSD UNIX 7.7, Alpine hangs--saying 0% done for maybe an hour--but sends mail... PO my sysadmin testing a few times saying submit configuration (default), logs (don't know where). ((re-)al)pine was my favourite email client some decades ago, especially college/university 1997 into '0s. Then I preferred ThunderBird, but I like (re-)alpine most for command-line (is it still re-alpine or back to alpine?). Recent decades it was impossible to use at first because maybe had to send mail to the developers to notify people still use it, and for a time that never went through... don't know if there's some other similar configuration thing I have to do to start using it right on OpenBSD... From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Aug 24 09:30:24 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Aug 24 09:30:33 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] spam on alpine-info In-Reply-To: <966r1p6o-p795-275n-9972-74rpp1no3q85@ynzoengr.vans.vg> References: <966r1p6o-p795-275n-9972-74rpp1no3q85@ynzoengr.vans.vg> Message-ID: On Sat, 23 Aug 2025, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote: > Eduardo, > do you have administrator authority on > alpine-info@u.washington.edu ? Can you implement some antispam filtering > on fictitious new subscribers ? Or pass this suggestion to the > admistrator? Dear Lucio, to clarify. I do not have any more control of this list than you. I do not know who adminsters this list either. All I know is that we are getting spam, and it does not take any effort to subscribe by a different name/address to continue sending it. The archives of the list will be affected by this, but you can always filter it on your side. I realize this is not what you want to read, I am sorry for the bad news. -- Eduardo From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Aug 24 10:20:13 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Aug 24 10:20:27 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine hangs but sends mail In-Reply-To: <108e5d9$11c3$1@ciao.gmane.io> References: <108e5d9$11c3$1@ciao.gmane.io> Message-ID: <40d1dd04-6541-4709-0b33-73ca4f9f97e9@yandex.com> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025, David Chmelik via Alpine-info wrote: > On OpenBSD UNIX 7.7, Alpine hangs--saying 0% done for maybe an hour--but > sends mail... PO my sysadmin testing a few times saying submit > configuration (default), logs (don't know where). ((re-)al)pine was my > favourite email client some decades ago, especially college/university > 1997 into '0s. Then I preferred ThunderBird, but I like (re-)alpine > most for command-line (is it still re-alpine or back to alpine?). > Recent decades it was impossible to use at first because maybe had to > send mail to the developers to notify people still use it, and for a > time that never went through... don't know if there's some other similar > configuration thing I have to do to start using it right on OpenBSD... There is not a lot of information in your post to give you a meaningful answer. First, make sure you are using the latest version of Alpine, if not, upgrade to version 2.26, and reproduce the problem. To get meaningful debug, please do as follows. Press M S C and make sure you have enabled [X] Enable Verbose SMTP Posting then quit alpine and restart - the latest version - with the command alpine -d tcp,imap=4 reproduce the problem, quit alpine and take a look at the file .pine-debug1. It will tell you about the problem. If you need help reading it, let me know. -- Eduardo From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Aug 24 10:39:38 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Aug 24 10:39:48 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] this is not spam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <701e2147-468b-6e0e-8c7e-f2ea8d10381b@yandex.com> On Sat, 23 Aug 2025, Jonathan Emanuel Campoya via Alpine-info wrote: > Dear friend, this is not spam, I am contributing to the forum in a natural > way! [ Si necesitas que te diga esto en espanol, no dudes en contactarme fuera ] [ de la lista.] Jonathan, this is not a 'forum' for public posting, this is a public forum for discussing topics about the Alpine email program. You are welcome to ask questions about it, suggest improvements, or anything related to Alpine. In regards to dazn, comida para cachorros, and other topics like that, which we do not see the actual relationship to the purpose of the list, we appreciate if you keep them off-list. Thank you for your consideration to the users of this list, and for your interest in Alpine. -- Eduardo From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Sun Aug 24 23:48:28 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (David Chmelik via Alpine-info) Date: Sun Aug 24 23:48:33 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine hangs but sends mail In-Reply-To: <40d1dd04-6541-4709-0b33-73ca4f9f97e9@yandex.com> References: <108e5d9$11c3$1@ciao.gmane.io> <40d1dd04-6541-4709-0b33-73ca4f9f97e9@yandex.com> Message-ID: <232f44b1-edb0-8fa1-f1c2-11f1133ff13f@gmail.com> On 8/24/25 10:20 AM, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info wrote: > On Sun, 24 Aug 2025, David Chmelik via Alpine-info wrote: >> On OpenBSD UNIX 7.7, Alpine hangs--saying 0% done for maybe an >> hour--but sends mail... PO my sysadmin testing a few times saying >> submit configuration (default), logs (don't know where).? >> ((re-)al)pine was my favourite email client some decades ago, >> especially college/university 1997 into '0s. Then I preferred >> ThunderBird, but I like (re-)alpine most for command-line (is it >> still re-alpine or back to alpine?). Recent decades it was impossible >> to use at first because maybe had to send mail to the developers to >> notify people still use it, and for a time that never went through... >> don't know if there's some other similar configuration thing I have >> to do to start using it right on OpenBSD... > > There is not a lot of information in your post to give you a > meaningful answer. More so the case for manpage, which doesn't say 'tcp' so don't know what command below does (okay, now saw it mentioned in /usr/local/share/doc/alpine/tech-notes.txt). > First, make sure you are using the latest version of Alpine, if not, > upgrade to version 2.26, and reproduce the problem. OpenBSD UNIX 7.7 (64-bit n64) 'Alpine 2.26 (BSO 649 2022-06-02) built Wed Apr 9 13:06:04 MDT 2025 on amd64-1.ports.openbsd.org' > To get meaningful debug, please do as follows. Press M S C and make sure > you have enabled > > ?[X]? Enable Verbose SMTP Posting > > then quit alpine and restart - the latest version - with the command > > alpine -d tcp,imap=4 I'm only using shell mail (implied, localhost maildir, SMTP) not IMAP and will use POP3 at home. > reproduce the problem, quit alpine and take a look at the file > .pine-debug1. It will tell you about the problem. If you need help > reading it, let me know. ?How many hours should I wait for it saying sending 0% before I kill screen/SSH, but if I do (even for an hour) seems it won't write debug log? From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 25 10:01:30 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Aug 25 10:01:40 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] spam on alpine-info In-Reply-To: References: <966r1p6o-p795-275n-9972-74rpp1no3q85@ynzoengr.vans.vg> Message-ID: <48d0725f-e89a-f395-050a-106c75e7fa1b@aitchison.me.uk> On Sun, 24 Aug 2025, Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info wrote: > On Sat, 23 Aug 2025, Lucio Chiappetti via Alpine-info wrote: > >> Eduardo, >> do you have administrator authority on alpine-info@u.washington.edu >> ? Can you implement some antispam filtering on fictitious new subscribers ? >> Or pass this suggestion to the admistrator? > > Dear Lucio, > > to clarify. I do not have any more control of this list than you. I do not > know who adminsters this list either. All I know is that we are getting spam, > and it does not take any effort to subscribe by a different name/address to > continue sending it. The archives of the list will be affected by this, but > you can always filter it on your side. > > I realize this is not what you want to read, I am sorry for the bad news. > > -- > Eduardo > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman23.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info I submitted a ticket to UWash IT and have had a reply suggesting that they have alerted the list owner "Michael". If I get a confirmation of the correct address of the list owner I will share it with the list. -- Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK andrew@aitchison.me.uk From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 25 10:22:22 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Eduardo Chappa via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Aug 25 10:22:43 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine hangs but sends mail In-Reply-To: <232f44b1-edb0-8fa1-f1c2-11f1133ff13f@gmail.com> References: <108e5d9$11c3$1@ciao.gmane.io> <40d1dd04-6541-4709-0b33-73ca4f9f97e9@yandex.com> <232f44b1-edb0-8fa1-f1c2-11f1133ff13f@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2025, David Chmelik via Alpine-info wrote: >> There is not a lot of information in your post to give you a meaningful >> answer. > More so the case for manpage, which doesn't say 'tcp' so don't know what > command below does (okay, now saw it mentioned in > /usr/local/share/doc/alpine/tech-notes.txt). It looks like the manual needs an update. > [...] >> reproduce the problem, quit alpine and take a look at the file >> .pine-debug1. It will tell you about the problem. If you need help >> reading it, let me know. > ?How many hours should I wait for it saying sending 0% before I kill > screen/SSH, but if I do (even for an hour) seems it won't write debug > log? If you cannot wait, see if using the gdb program to attach to the process produces an output that you can trace and see where the problem is happening. Thank you. -- Eduardo From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 25 13:24:40 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Andrew C Aitchison via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Aug 25 13:24:52 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine hangs but sends mail In-Reply-To: <108e5d9$11c3$1@ciao.gmane.io> References: <108e5d9$11c3$1@ciao.gmane.io> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 Aug 2025, David Chmelik via Alpine-info wrote: > On OpenBSD UNIX 7.7, Alpine hangs--saying 0% done for maybe an hour--but > sends mail... PO my sysadmin testing a few times saying submit > configuration (default), logs (don't know where). ((re-)al)pine was my > favourite email client some decades ago, especially college/university > 1997 into '0s. Then I preferred ThunderBird, but I like (re-)alpine most > for command-line (is it still re-alpine or back to alpine?). Recent > decades it was impossible to use at first because maybe had to send mail > to the developers to notify people still use it, and for a time that never > went through... don't know if there's some other similar configuration > thing I have to do to start using it right on OpenBSD... Does the |/-\|/-\| spinner go around ? For some reason your email reminds me of a pine bug involving that spinner, many years ago (possibly last millenium). -- Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK andrew@aitchison.me.uk From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Mon Aug 25 15:09:25 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Marco de Santo via Alpine-info) Date: Mon Aug 25 15:09:35 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Las Ventajas de Contar con un Software para Agencias de Viajes en 2025 Message-ID: En un mundo donde la tecnolog?a avanza a pasos agigantados, las agencias de viajes en este 2025 necesitan adaptarse para mantenerse competitivas. Contar con un software especializado ofrece la ventaja de gestionar operaciones desde cualquier lugar y dispositivo, gracias a soluciones en la nube que eliminan la necesidad de instalaciones complejas. Esta flexibilidad no solo ahorra tiempo, sino que permite a los agentes enfocarse en lo que realmente importa: brindar una experiencia personalizada a los clientes. 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Este h?bito no solo eleva la calidad de vida, sino que fomenta una cultura de prevenci?n, siendo un paso vital para quienes desean lucir y sentirse mejor sin comprometer su salud bucal a futuro. > Para quienes buscan un tratamiento seguro y efectivo de bruxismo barcelona, Muro Clinica Dental ofrece te ofrece a ti y tu familia un servicio altamente profesional y personalizado, ideal para cuidar tu sonrisa con resultados duraderos. ?Sonr?e con confianza, cuida tu esencia con Muro Cl?nica Dental.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpine-info at u.washington.edu Wed Aug 27 12:16:28 2025 From: alpine-info at u.washington.edu (Carlos E. R. via Alpine-info) Date: Wed Aug 27 12:16:36 2025 Subject: [Alpine-info] Trivia trick on big folders Message-ID: <44219013-4d94-2395-6d8c-f8fe2d3fcc1c@telefonica.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 When displaying this account folder, which is big, if I try to sort by threads (K-D), the operation takes too long and Alpine asks several times if I want to kill it. A trick was to go to the first post, and then push the down cursor, hold it, and wait till I get to the bottom. Slow and boring. I found a better method: go to the first post, and tell it to find a random string that I know does not exist, say 'kkkkkk'. It churns away for a long time, but at the end, Alpine has the entire folder in memory, and threading it is instantaneous :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. 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